Firstly, no it is not a reference to the blog We Remember Love. I know it sounds like that, and its a great blog and all, but no; fear not though the title will make sense. As I’m sure mostly anybody could guess, the title is a play on the famous Macross song, move, whatever; Do you remember love. I was first introduced to Macross in the form of Robotech way back when when Toonami (R.I.P.) was new. I was about the only person I knew at the time who watched the show. This was back when for me Cartoon Network is on channel 01, I mean that like never happens that was awesome. So, Robotech left an impression on me that came back latter in life when I become more of an anime fan it was brought up when I was listening to a podcast, so that day I went and torrented the movie Do You Remember Love.
Many people, including myself have fond memories of this
So, after watching Do You Remember Love, it brought back all the stuff I remembered from watching Robotech as a child. So I went out and got the original series and watched though that. I loved every minute of that, heck at a time I even bought the novels, I’m not really sure if those count, but hey its something. So after I watched though Macross not much after Macross F was announced.
Now after watching Macross I was extremely excited about Frontier, and went to go though all the series before the show came out. I never really did get though that, not really the point though; I suppose what is, is that I had high hopes for Macross F. So, lets skip to the first episode of Macross F, you know the one that came out early to celebrate the 25 anniversary. I watched that, and I was still excited about the show, the first time I saw the veritech fighter transform my jaw nearly dropped.
So when the series first started I was all for it. I watched the other version of episode 1, I still thought it was great. I continued to watch the show and thought it was still good, though I think at this point was when I realized something wasn’t right. I couldn’t put my finger on it, and ignored it for a while. So I just went though and kept watching, then episode 7 aired. Episode 7 made me forget about those feelings that something was not right, episode 7 made me say this is a Macross show. I watched that episode a number of times, and it is very rare for me to do that. Episode 7 was just that good to me, as I said it finally made me think Frontier was a real Macross show.
Though, things did not say good for me for long. After episode 7, the feeling came back and then I finally figured it out. Frontier wasn’t a Macross show to me, I mean it was at some parts, but they were just to far apart and there wasn’t many of those moments. I still did continue to watch the show after that, but I didn’t really find it that entertaining. I just had this hope that it would bring back episode 7 and just do what made that episode so great over and over. It never really came though, and in the last 3rd of the series, I just stopped watching.
Now I have heard that the series did end well and felt like a Macross show, but the whole show should have been that, not just parts of it. I will not deny part of the problem is that I had such high hopes for the series, but there was just so much that could have been done with the series. What I think was my main problem is the characters, I mean don’t get me wrong I’m a huge Sheryl fan, but it was all stereotypes in the end. Now that itself wasn’t the problem…well it kinda was, but for me it was more what the stereotypes were. I mean this is really more because this is what characters are done in this time, but still. I mean for awhile I could put up with it, but it just became to much, it was just so easy to throw the characters into stereotypes and the show even points it out. I mean there is Alto the pretty boy, Ranka the loli, Klan Klein the legal loli or huge breasted character depending, Sheryl the famous star person, Luca the shota character, and it just goes on. I mean this wouldn’t be such a problem if they maybe did something with it do keep it interesting, but that just never seemed to happen. What I’m getting at is even though almost every show can have stereotype characters, they can become unique and such and this show just didn’t really do that. The characters never broke out of the stereotype and just acted how you would think they would act, and for me I’ve seen it before so why watch it again.
Yes, I'm a Sheryl fan; can you really blame me...well you can...nevermind
I suppose that is really nitpicking and again that is more of the times than the series being at fault. I think its true flaw is what I hinted at above; that Macross F is only a Macross show at a few select parts, and the rest of the time it is just some average show, if that. For me it was about the same as going though filler after filler episode in hope for something to blow my mind, which episodes like 7 did; but again as I did they are to little and to far apart from one another. Again I think its more of the times thing and what I expect a Macross show to be is something that is long gone. It is just they like to tease you with a few awesome things here and there and then just give you filler the rest of the time.
There were some things in the story too and just I don’t think were done well. I really think having the Varija was a bad idea. I mean you just can’t compare them to the Zentradi, they were just a great enemy and it the Varija just don’t have the same effect. I mean sure song affects them, but it goes about it the wrong way. I mean it was a huge thing with the Zentradi and how though the power of song some would even change sides to fight for those feelings they learned about though song. In Macross F it is lets sing a song to distract them so we can blow them up. Again its the check list thing and that was have main enemy be affected by song. I will also say I did not care of the love triangle this time around, I think they just started it early and then it just kept snowballing becoming ever more annoying. I also think it could have been handled a bit better, it never really gave me a feeling of seeing the choice go either way, I’m not even sure if it even gave me a feeling anything was going to happen. When I was watching it did to lean more towards Sheryl mostly and Ranka was just felt out there most of the time. Then we she did get time it was not as much and just didn’t accomplish as much. Again this kinda does come back to the characters and how its nothing new which makes the love triangle stale.
Then it throws in all these throwbacks to the older Macross shows like this character looks like so and so, and you could try to use that to figure out what would happen. I do like that they didn’t have it so you could guess what would happen, but overall the fanservice to the older Macross felt forced. It was like they even realized the show was not a real Macross show and they had to put something in to try to make people think otherwise. The throwbacks to the older veratech fighters was nice though I give it that. All right maybe the fanservice to the older shows are not bad, it does feel like they had to throw it in, but it worked at least, so I can’t really complain about it to much, oh but I will anyway a bit.
The new Veritech Fighters do look really nice
So let’s look back at the tile Do We Remember Love, I don’t think Macross F does. I mean it had some of a idea, but they just ran though the things that make a Macross show a Macross show as if they were on a to do list. It is not cool, I think I died a little bit inside from Macross F, as stated above I had such high hopes for it and all that really accomplished is giving the show something to shoot down, and it sniped them well. Don’t get me wrong, Macross F isn’t a bad show, if I would to look at it as just some show it would be considered all right. The problem is, is that it is supposed to be a Macross show and I think that is the problem, it tried to be a Macross show, and did somethings, but that was it. So, do we remember love? Did you find Macross F to carry on what you loved about Macross? For me it didn’t I’ve said it a number of times, it was missing the feel other Macross shows have I suppose would be a good way to describe it. Though I did fail to talk about the music, the music was the one thing that was done about perfect with Frontier, as much as I don’t care for the rest of it, I really do have to say the music was awesome, it was to Macross standards, though if they messed that up, hell would have broken loose.
So to sum this up, this was my look of what Macross was to me before Frontier came out and then how I saw Frontier. I know I’m in the minority with how I didn’t care for Frontier, but I bring the other side of it. Also, as I said before I don’t think its a bad show, I just think it forgot love (I’m overusing the reference I know). If it wasn’t a Macross show, my opinion might of been different about it. My opinion might have been different if I hadn’t had such a love and nostalgia for the Macross series, and if I didn’t have my hopes set so high. Still though in the end, it is what it is; and that is my opinion about how we don’t remember love (yep I fit it in one more time at the end). Though, to be fair there are not many awesome Macross series other than the original, that is for another time though. Also as a quick note, as I said I didn’t finish the series, so this is only ment to be my impressions and what I thought from what I saw of the series. I am also not saying anything about people who liked the show, I like a number of shows people hate and expect the same the other way around. If you would like to let me know why you enjoy Frontier as I said above leave a comment.
LOL and I thought this post was referred by We Remember Love site. XD
Yes, we remember love. Macross Frontier is amazing. I didn’t ask it to be perfect in every possible way. What was awesome was more than enough for me to overlook whatever problems I found with it.
I’m glad to meet another Macross fan (which I think you are – otherwise the lovely wall of text above just wouldn’t happen), and if you go around the blog (http://ghostlightning.wordpress.com/2008/10/14/kicking-reason-to-the-curb-with-song/ as well as http://ghostlightning.wordpress.com/2008/10/23/the-hidden-fail-of-macross-sequels/) you can see how I and mechafetish feel about the franchise too.
Cheers and regards!
@Kairu Ishimaru – Oh yeah, I realized it was going to sound like it, but I liked the title to much to try to change it
@Ghostlightning – Indeed, I think my problem was just the fact I was expecting close to perfection and not taking it what it was which was more of a re-imagining. Though even if I took it as that, some flaws would pass, but some would still remain for me. I mean it could very well be the fact I enjoy older stuff a lot more and feel with both anime and video games, the modern is missing something that the older has, what it is I can’t tell you. Anyway before I go to far off, after reading the suggested links (that at some point I should comment on) it brought up a lot of things that I would nod and go, yeah that sounds about right or something along the lines. Now I would sum this up, but I have no clue how to go about it, so I’ll just stop while I’m ahead.
You say it doesn’t feel like a Macross show but you have to remember the Director is always trying to do something different in every Macross series. If you watched Macross 7 (i don’t know if you did) then Macross F would have felt like a breath of fresh air. It took the innovated CG from Macross Zero, some fleet battles and pop idols from SDF:Macross and threw some gold homages to Basara and Fire Bomber in M7.
As far as cliche stero type characters, look at their actions and see how they compare to their stereotypes in other animes. The “hime” pretty boy decided to be a solider to protect his loved ones and homeland (and was afraid to get his hands dirty). The “shouta” was part of a government conspiracy and decided to use a WMD on the least damaged Island to kill off the Bugs. The “Loli” didn’t get the guy and her naivety proved to be her down fall in love and choice of priorities.
While their character designs might have been stereotypical, their action is what separates them.
@Square – I can see that the director would want to do something different I mean no two Macross shows are alike, I haven’t really watched much into 7 yet, no more than a few episodes and the OVA or 3 part special thing.
For the characters, while they were not in the typical roll I still think they played according to the stereotype, I mean the loli might have not got the guy, but I still think she acted like every other character like that. I kinda expected the hime to be a solider to protect and such. I can see how the situations the characters were in were different, but I don’t think their actions were something new. I mean this is all my opinion and what I think the stereotypes are and for me it just seemed that they fit in there for me. I would say at points, they would do a thing or two to break out a bit mostly Alto, but it just didn’t seem enough for me to change what I thought of them overall. Though just what I think, take it with a grain of salt more or less.
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